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this week we've heard the contention of

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UFO researchers that there is a secret

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government within our government exactly

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what's going on up there well there's

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several uh actually nine flying saucers

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flying disks that are out there of

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extraterrestrial origin they're being

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test flown and basically just analyzed

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this is released by the Department of

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Defense that you authorized the release

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this is one of three videos this one one

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I want to show it to you they call it

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the gimbal why it's interesting is

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because here's a fighter pilot he's

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tracking this object you can see the

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shape of it and it does this move and

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what it does this move it doesn't change

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its velocity its speed anything so I

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want to see at the end of this video

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which is only thirty seconds okay what'd

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you think of the movement and I know

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it's like an IR video it's not that

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great you know but just I will clean up

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look on the SI like I know in the winter

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oh is it it's rotated so that's

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something that people comment on is as

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it's going that's got this rotation and

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it's not you know if what we're seeing

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is correct and and it's rotating and it

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is actually shaped like that let's say

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it's kind of hard really to see the

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shape I mean it's really hard you know

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is that in fact the shape or is that if

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this is just a heat signature are we

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seeing bloom from it you know just the

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you know the infrared image I mean what

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is the actual visible item look like is

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it and there's a little protrusion on

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the top or in this case the bottom there

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you know is that just heat or is that

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the shape of the craft so we're not

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going to be able to answer that a lot of

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people have the exact questions that

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you're asking there is there any more of

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this is that this is this is the only

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video there is there is more but it's

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not declassified it's not allowed to be

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out in the public so the I happen to

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personally know these videos are longer

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okay but what's been released to the

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public is small snippets because

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remember the the whole methods and that

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sort of thing they don't wanna release

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too much any FLIR video is classified by

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nature because of what it could show to

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potential enemies right so there are

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much longer videos this is all we get

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and I'm not asking you to validate what

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you're seeing here no I couldn't yeah

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we'll have huge questions but why this

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is interesting and a lot of people ask

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me is the craft well it is interesting

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that it did rotate like that because the

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craft that I worked on that when it's

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when it's going to travel a long

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distance that is how it operates it

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flies along and it it puts its belly to

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the target and then brings all the

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amplifiers to power and you know it

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shoots off in that direction did

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something like that I would say that's

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yeah we don't really similar yeah we

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don't know but that is kind of the point

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of me showing I wanted to talk to you

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about that so you often discuss your the

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craft you worked on how was like this I

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mean it would turn its belly towards

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where it wanted to go yeah if it's gonna

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fly fat

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or long distances it doesn't fly as it

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would in a science fiction movies it

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flies with the belly the bottom forward

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and the occupants if there are occupants

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inside this craft when it flips and

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points its belly somewhere

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can you explain kind of what what

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happens to its generating its own

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gravitational field so it it really is

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not just shielded by its own field but

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it they the Earth's field to where you

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would think they would tilt up and they

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would fall down inside that really has

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no bearing on it the craft is generating

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its own gravity they're standing

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straight up or whatever you know your

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glass of water is sitting there and it's

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not spilling I mean the bottom of the

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craft is always pulling all matter to it

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so the way it's designed is that if

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there's occupants in it as it were to

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move the occupants would not notice a

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single difference in the grab their

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gravity no nothing at all so this craft

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can have any speed so so the tic-tac um

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commander Davis raver talks about

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watching this object that was like a

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tic-tac you know similar is 46 feet

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whatever and like it would balance he

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said like he said to me personally like

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a ping pong ball in a glass sometimes

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would slow down and we move in the wood

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it had no it didn't have to slow down he

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said as it went to from one point to

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another just bounce off you know it you

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know go one direction and come back so

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that's what you're talking about it what

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you call it a nurse sure what you said

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how you explain that well I mean you

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know that it might only look that way

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too it's really difficult if you're

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difficult to know for sure because if

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you are manipulating the space around

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the craft I mean time and space around

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there

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it may just appear that way you know it

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may just be an artifact of the way the

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crafts operating it's not really

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bouncing back and forth like that but

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it's just appearing that way the way

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they're distorting the space and moving

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around but either way either way it's

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something it's a gret it's a gravity

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driven craft because you need if you're

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distorting yeah if you're coming to a

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dead stop you know from high speed or

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making ridiculous movements like that

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shaking back and forth yeah that's not

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it's not conventional technology at all

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so when I told you about the way the

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commander flavor who is you know one of

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the top fighter pilots in America

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especially at that time and he described

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this crack moving the way it did you

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said that's gotta be if you move like

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that it's got to be a gravity propelled

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craft yeah you really can't move any

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other way like that and so like the

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craft you worked on that is the key the

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gravity propulsion right okay so these

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videos that have come out in some ways

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we talked about this this is in very

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small ways vindicated some of your story

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the government has admitted they have a

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UFO program albeit a reactionary UFO

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program to military sightings right they

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back in 89 I think they said the only

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UFO researcher program they did was

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Project Blue Book which had to come to

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an end a long time ago on there was

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nothing going on so if they admitted

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there was a program so they're they're

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admitting that that was a lie and that

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there really was a program continuing

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which is a big step I'm surprised they

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did that and they also admitted that

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there are materials associated with UFOs

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but inside sources say that that there's

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actually a lot more than just a metal

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that was discharged from from a UFO that

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they may even have a craft inside

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sources meaning people like George Knapp

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who have their finger on the pulse of

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all this if they admit something beyond

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the fact that they just have alloys

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although that's a big deal you know that

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they had such tremendous deal it's a

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tremendous deal and they said that the

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alloy itself the Kona metamaterial that

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the design of the material is essential

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to the way the craft functions which

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kind of makes sense if it's not a

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surprise yeah right anyway so it's a new

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day it's quite interesting just thought

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I'd show you this and you know let's see

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yeah I'd sure like to see the rest of it

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but I'm sure everybody would - everybody

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would - no yeah yeah and you know I'm

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hopeful that something's gonna happen

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but at least we get little bits and you

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know in little ways you you and George

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you know putting his neck out on the

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line because he believed you from day

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one we didn't just believe me he spent a

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lot of time and we traveled all over he

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went with you into Los Alamos to your

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work right he put you through two or

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three polygraph tests

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yes no no George that pad you sit down

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with people who he knew worked at area

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51 and landed

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you know from McCarran on the jet

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flights landed there and they asked you

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questions and went put you through your

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paces he doesn't advertise it but the

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people he sat you with they said oh yeah

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you saved it right so that's another

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confirmation that George George didn't

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just believe he put you through your

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paces oh absolutely

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yeah I was just it to go a long long

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time before people don't appreciate that

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they just get the egg result which is

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that people like George dodge feet but

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they didn't get to hear all the things

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he he did to poke at you see his Bob

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yeah it was years to get to that point

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literally so and you know and over that

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time you did develop a friendship with

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George oh yeah yeah how can we not going

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through something yeah we spend a lot of

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time together

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sure and and he found your your name the

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phone book at Los Alamos showing that

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even though they denied you were never

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there there you were in the phone book

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right as well as Joe the person that I

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worked with at Los Alamos George

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interviewed Joe and he was in the phone

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book you know with me we worked in the

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same place so I actually the world has

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never seen you like in Los Alamos right

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but I actually have some home videotape

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of you where you're walking through Los

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Alamos with Joe van and Eddie you guys

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are just walking around laughing about

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how people say you never worked there

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and you're in Lausanne okay yeah I have

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that footage oh wow and you also go to

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this one place and you you find a piece

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of concrete in the ground and in that

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concrete you brush off some pine needles

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and you go oh my god and in that footage

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is your name with like 1981 there you

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were at Los Alamos and you had carve

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your name and said oh you know what that

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is that's where we put in back then they

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were called earth stations big satellite

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dish but you know now they're two feet

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larger and yeah I remember putting in

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that pad and putting in a big you know

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earth station satellite receiver there

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but yeah that was around 82 or 83

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something like that no maybe yeah I

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don't really wait I don't remember it

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was 81 it doesn't matter but

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have you made a joke and you brushed off

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the pine needles New York oh yes you

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said I never worked there it was funny

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because you just like rediscovered it so

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you've never been like really deeply

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interested in like proving everybody

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wrong that you're right and and that's

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been admirable no no I don't care in

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fact like I always said I I prefer

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everybody don't believe it big doesn't

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know what he bothers me he's crazy and

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that's it yeah makes your life if

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everybody believed the story I would be

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hounded til the end of time so really I

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write well that is the deal if everybody

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did believe your story it we'd be

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looking at something totally different I

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mean that that might blow up

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reality simply isn't what it used to be

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things anomalies see everything around

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us is a mental construct the clearly

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breaking that down it's hard to do and

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once it's done there ain't no coming

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